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Hard drugs are harmful both mentally and physically. Certain one's such as marijuana should be legal, as they aren't particularly harmful. All drugs should be kept away from kids.
ReplyDeleteSmoking is a terrible habit that claims more than it's fair share of lives.
Drinking as well is very stupid, pointless and only leads to problems.
Perhaps all of these things once in a blue moon wouldn't be bad, but often... no day no way.
I agree with you except for your last statement. Unless you're really good at not getting addicted, it is easy to get addicted to drugs and alcohol even if you only use them "once in a blue moon."
ReplyDeleteSmoking is just plain disgusting and it's SUPER easy to get addicted to it.
Drinking is also disgusting. If you have drank for a very long time it starts to mess with your personality and you have become a very mean, manipulative person.
I wouldn't try any substances (maybe a little alcohol infrequently, but probably not, because I don't like the way it tastes) because I may have a greater chance than some to get addicted. My father is an alcoholic and knowing that makes me leery to try anything. But as I said I don't like the taste of it either, so I don't plan on drinking too much ever.
Woah, not ever alcohiolic is the same, or a mean and manipulative person. I do think that a social drink every once in a while is fine as long as you are responsible. There are no absolutes, and it's extremely closed minded for you to dismiss all of it just because some can't handle it. And this is coming from someone who doesn't drink.
ReplyDeleteCan you understand where I'm coming from, though? Maybe not.
ReplyDeleteSorry folks for my long absence. Was on a hiatus of sorts.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion regarding drug use, harmful substances, and the like, would fit with CharismaticRecluse. Smoking of course, as CR pointed out, deprives the individual of their willpower and kills so many. Interestingly, I think the greatest controversy with marijuana is more the social matter than the use of it. Sears Roebuck used to advertise the canabis plant in their catalogs a hundred years ago, and it was not deemed a social or health concern at the time. But now that it is illegal, the issue of marijuana use implies a moral predicament. Honestly, marijuana can be no more different than some pharmaceutical drugs sold over the counter. I believe any thing that alters the mind should, obviously, be discouraged. Marijuana does affect negatively individual's motor skills in some instances, but the same abuse of--let's say--advil (in greater quantity) can have the same effect. The main question I raise is, "Is it necessary?" Pleasure could be a valid reason, as well as that "calming" affinity drugs present to users. Let's say we were brought up in a nation where marijuana was legal. Would we harbor such resentment towards it? I think our nurturement in its illegality has created the moral predicament. Truthfully, I have a strong distaste for smoking, drinking, and excessive drug use; although a cup of Red Wine a day does wonders for the heart.
I agree for the most part, but it's a HUGE leap to say that we should discourage ANYTHING that alters the mind. Caffeine is a drug that alters the mind, so does sugar, so do certain flowers if you smell them they can be aphrodisiacs. That's going too far, and it's a slippery slope to do so. Obviously many should be outlawed, but not all, and Marijuana has never killed anyone.
ReplyDeleteAnother common mistake that it seems you've made is the red wine, which is due to misinformation and propaganda that even I, the great CharismaticRecluse once fell into... it's not the red wine that may contribute to heart health... it's the grapes/other ingredients in it that do it, the drink itself is secondary. It's like putting vitamins into vodka, it's still not good for you. Americans are so stressed that we can afford to drink alcohol (in moderation) to stave off stress while the effects of the poison (alcohol) are limited because it's a greater trade-off, stress would kill us more quickly than the alcohol would at the rate a responsible person would drink it.
As a personal preference, smoking is disgusting and harmful in many ways... frankly I don't like to be around people who smoke at all. I won't date a girl who does either.
ReplyDeleteDrinking is stupid for a lot of reasons to me. I don't like the taste and refuse to do it just because others do, or because it's "cool" to do at this age, and deemed necessary to have a good time. It's poison, and it causes you to say and do stupid things. However, I am a live and let live kind of person on certain issues... and this is one of them... as long as they're not driving under the influence a responsible drink by an adult is none of my business.
Drugs... as the old hagg Nancy Reagan would say: "Just say no". They're bad news, the hard ones, and have destroyed far too many lives. I despise them almost as much as I do religion.
On a better topic... riddle me this..
ReplyDeleteWhy does your God support slavery continuously throughout the bible? Jesus says nothing of it, doesn't even once denounce it either...
And if you tell me that he doesn't then you need to read the bible.
CR, please stay on topic.
ReplyDeleteas to the topic, my views are quite a bit different. i grew up in a very irish family and drinking was not an unusual thing. infact i would venture to say my dad drinks about one glass of beer every day. how ever everyone in my family and on my mums side of the family is very careful with drinking. no one hardly ever drinks enough to get drunk and if they do they are watched very carefully. To me drinking isnt a bad thing at all as long as you can use it responsably. as for drugs and smoking gross! the only smoky type smell i like is that of a campfire other then that its discusting. and drugs will screw your life up i dont see why anyone would want to sign up for that?!
ReplyDeleteCR, I think you are grasping at straws when you ask that question. You must understand the context of the Bible during the time it was written, untainted by you're understanding of Christianity as it exists today and has existed 200 years ago. Biblical hermeneutics best expresses its slavery and your slavery. The slavery I'm guessing you are referring to is that on the lines of slavery in the South, before the Civil War, when, yes, there was abuse inflicted on the slaves. Slavery in antiquity was much different. The Bible clearly denounces the abuse of slaves, as it has said clearly for "masters, treat your servants well". I do not think your statement that "God supports slavery" is fair. God did not like it when the tribes of Israel demanded a king, but he allowed it. Him allowing it does not mean He advocates it. Slavery was a cultural entity in antiquity, so God posited his condoning of it but also asking that slaveowners treat their slaves with love and compassion. There is a strong repugnant sentiment when slavery is mentioned, and we are apt to think back to the wretched South but fail in delineating the cultural differences from slavery of the Victorian Era to slavery in antiquity.
ReplyDeleteJesus "Some slaves will be beaten harder than others"
ReplyDeleteEnough said. There is NO repugnant sentiment, and you are showing just how ignorant you really are by saying that.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Your attempts at saying it's said with a "repugnant" tone are so ignorant, convoluted and stupid that I can't even imagine just how brainwashed you really are. Either that or you are just a flat out liar desperately trying to reconcile the immorality of the bible with REAL morality. "Masters, treat your servants well" is STILL saying there are MASTERS and SERVANTS.... it condones slavery at every turn... why don't you have the balls to admit that? You guys are pathetic.
You clearly missed the point CR. It was a cultural entity in antiquity--it was inevitable. God in the Bible only established the statutes for His people in dealing with servants, even though His real, unadulterated design was for humanity to live in freedom where there was no need for slaves. But since that plan did not prevail, He could only establish guidelines for the Hebrews to follow so that they would not be governed autocratically. Why is it so hard for you to understand that? Please, study Biblical hermeneutics, it may dissolve some of the disillusionment you have towards Christianity. And you think I'm brainwashed? Please, enough with your stereotypes. It is utterly lousy and intellectually embarrassing. And your idea of "morals" is somewhat skew. For someone who ostrasizes Christians and calls them pathetic is not a very good moral example.
ReplyDeleteBy the way CR, thanks for providing me with the link to evilbible.com. I always enjoy reading this kind of stuff.
ReplyDeletein response to the original topic, i agree more with CR/Rutledge. Smoking is stupid, hardcore drugs are also stupid, and excessive drinking is also stupid. I agree that occasional social drinking is just fine, as long as its not abused. What bugs me is when people, especially young people, abuse alcohol (or any substance, for that matter) just to be "cool". I wish they could see how harmful it really can be, and Im glad that everyone on here so far agrees that substance abuse is not worth it.
ReplyDeleteas far as the "new" topic goes, just because someone sets out guidlines about how something should be handled doesnt mean that they condone or endorse it. i mean, they might in some cases, but not necessarily all. Like how the government sets out rules/guidelines about drug use (the FDA and whatnot), smoking (Surgeon General warnings and whatnot), drinking, and even lesser things like caffiene (they regulate how much caffeine can be in certain substances). That doesnt necessarily mean that the people making those decisions totally support the use of those things and the capacities to which they are used - they just adapt to what people do in order to get the best possible outcome, although thats not always the best. Just like there is still debate over the legal drinking age of 21, there is also debate over the teachings of Jesus. I tend to lean more towards what DL Rutledge is saying, although i can see your point, CR.
ps: i might check out this evilbible.com also - it sounds intriguing. =)
oh yeah, i forgot to mention marijuana. I am mostly in favor of legalizing it, mostly because then the government could tax the crap out of it (similarly to tobacco products), and make some money, and if people are too stupid to use it and think theyll be ok, then thats their problem, just like cigarettes and the like.
ReplyDeleteand when i wrote about people not really condoning stuff, i wasnt really thinking much about the stupid lobbyists and all that, so whoops. i dont really feel like writing much about that anyhow - too heated of a debate probably, so just stay away from that everyone, if we can.
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ReplyDeleteEasy there slugger.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me DL... where the **** does it say in the bible that he wanted us to live slave-less? All i've seen is the opposite, you aren't allowed to project your own views onto the word of God... more proof of your delusion and hopeless scrambling to make moral an immoral document. What I call someone has nothing to do with morals, you Christians are responsible for too much, including the blocking of stem cell research, the bombing of abortion clinics, HITLER, and the crusades, genital mutilation etc... you are responsible for all of those and yet you want to pretend YOU are somehow moral. You've got a lot of explaining AND apologizing to do before you can consider yourselves on the same level as an atheist, and our system isn't even a moral system at all. We are more highly educated typically (93% of the american academy of sciences) and it follows that we are more intelligent. We also are MUCH less of the prison population, so stop this nonsense about Christian morality. I see NO refutation of slavery in the bible, or anything saying "oh, this is antiquity, stop it once we fight a WAR over it in America". That's right, we had to fight a war against religious bigots like YOU in order to get rid of slavery, and they used the bible as justification. They were right, just look in leviticus. And if you can't see or admit that, then you are too stupid brainwashed for me to continue talking to further. So why don't you man up and stop equivocating, how about you think for yourself for a change instead of blindly defending this tyrant in the sky so that you can go to bed feeling like God is watching over you, and that the false promise of heaven will come true. This is why Christians are pathetic and immoral, you do things FOR GOD, not for goodness sake. Try this... Christians fall on BOTH sides of every moral issue... Abortion, gay rights, slavery, stem-cell research etc... you can't say that the bible is clear at all, or that Christians have a clear sense of morality. You are not only amoral, but immoral. If his "true" desire is what you said... then WHY THE **** DID HE KEEP ON GIViNG INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT HOW TO SELL AND TRADE AND BEAT SLAVES? You still haven't answered that, instead you've just equivocated with your usual dose of white noise and non-sequiturs. Intellectually embarrassing? You believe in a 2,000 year old book with food falling from the sky, talking snakes, 900 year old men, a supernatural dictator in the sky who sent himself in human flesh down as a sacrifice to himself to die for our sins? And you have the nerve to say that I'M intellectually embarrassing?! HAHAHA, as I said, pathetic delusional coward describes you best, and on the evidence, I claim that right. Your so called "Proofs" were the most pathetic display of an attempt to prove something I've ever seen. It's like a cave-man trying to hold onto his belief that the earth is round... grow up, the world works just fine without the assumption of God. By the way, God is not a theory, it doesn't stand up to the STANDARDS of a theory. How's that one for ya? God is merely a failed hypothesis, so try that on for size, DL.
ReplyDeleteI was nice and copy and pasted with censorship before deleting your comment, but next time all that hard work goes down the drain if there's swearing in it.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, there's a new rule Ruteldge, any swearing and the post gets canned, I copied and pasted his response down though, so that's him speaking, not me, in the post above.
-Charlee
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ReplyDeleteIt's all context mate, using the word hell in the noun form or as a place isn't a swear word, but saying "What the ****?!" makes it a swear word. Same with most of the swear words, they have legitimate uses, and a vulgar uses. I'm not gonna put your responses down with copy and paste anymore, just straight up deletes from now on.
ReplyDeleteI can hear it now "Who the h*** is this guy?" doesn't matter.
ReplyDeleteThe topic is addictive substances, so i will attempt to stick to that.
Without looking at stuff on the internet, i have managed to come up with the following in my head.
This topic shouldn't be just about addictive substances. Anything can cause someone to be addicted to it. video games, pornography, poker, pain, music, facebook, talkin on the phone, gummy bears, coffee, and if you have anything in common with forrest gump, mowing the lawn. The point is, anything can be addictive. anything in excess is "harmful", just in different ways, and in different amounts to different people. One man can take a drink of wine, and think nothing of it. Another man could have a shot, and be hooked for life. Different people are tempted by different things. I'm not going to throw in the whole "your body is the temple of the Lord" and "you were made in the image of God" stuff, because thats the last thing you wanna do when conversing with a non-believer who is vehemently opposed to the bible. He has no respect for it, so why should what it says be offered as proof for issues in the conversation. Christians are always on the defensive, because when attacked they bring up the bible and the person they are "talking" with immediately goes into roast mode against the bible, and the christian feels it is necessary to defend the bible, and what he believes. The bible needs no defense. It is what it is. A christian saying "it is Gods word, believe it" doesn't mean that it is Gods word. On the other hand, an atheist saying, that the bible is not God's word, as there is no god, and that you shouldnt believe it, does not mean that there is no god. There is no proof you can give to an atheist that God exists. Our religion is based on faith. Atheism is based on faith as well. It is a religion just as much as christianity, marxism, humanism, and hinduism.
Back to the topic. Other than what the bible has to say, the only thing that i can think of (and i welcome arguments on this) is addictions in any forms are wrong. But they happen, as do many other bad things.(http://www.religioustolerance.org/culeins.htm)
It is common sense that if something is harmful to you, not to do it.
playing video games too much may be fun, but if abused and addicted to, it can break up families, deaths (one kid hung himself over a nintendo wii http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2199215/Schoolboy-hangs-himself-after-row-over-Nintendo-Wii.html) and failure in school.
Disclaimer. video games are fun(love em) and not evil, whine is not evil, cigarettes are not evil. just abused.
ReplyDeleteDrug abuse leading to addiction, can cause murders, and thefts, if the person addicted does not have the means to keep up with his addiction. The list of problems go on.
Lets say for a moment that a person's choice to do drugs, or abuse one thing or another, does not affect anyone else. Just him. It was his own choice, and he got what he deserved. He could have inventd the cure for cancer (cliche i know).
While i despise the American government right now, and think that governmental control is the last thing we need, i feel it is necesarry (leaving the bible, and value of life out it) that for the good of everyone drugs like marijuana, crack, and things like that be kept illegal.
But by this reasoning, since these things are outlawed, and should remain illegal, some might say that video games should be illegal, and looking up porn should be illegal. The video game market has constantly been assaulted due to affects it has on people. Such things would be considered an invasion of privacy, and freedom.This could be said of outlawing marijuana.
So if rules made by government cannot solve it. And we cannot just let people do whatever they want (example: lets say im on crack, and its within my rights to do so legally. I run out of money and go steal from my neighbor. that infringes on his rights to have property.
If government coming in and taking control isnt the answer, and people making their own decisions without government intervention or without some guidlines, what is the solution?
Another Christian conservative hack.
ReplyDeleteIf you believe that your body is a living temple,then it is easy to decide what substances you should allow into it and which you shouldn't. And even the ones you do allow should always be in moderation, since even too much of something good can be harmful.
ReplyDeleteAnything that damages the body temple of God, we should abstain from it (1 Corinthians 6:19). As Christians we should purpose in our hearts that we do not defile the body temple of God. If we as Christians truly love God, we would want to stay away from the things that can hinder or separate us from the love of Christ. Jesus, has bought each of us with a price (dying on the cross to save us - Salvation) so we should respect our body temple and live according to his teachings (word of God) and abide by his law.
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